Usually an effective ad gives a benefit from acting upon it. I guess I'm suppose to be afraid, think negatively that our country is going to hell in a handbag due President Obama and nobody else, because everything he does is unilaterally wrong while those that oppose him do everything unilaterally right and the majority polled prove it with their expressed opinions. It's this same old kind of negative advertising that ad professions don't use to push product or service, but promote the benefits of what their client has to offer instead. Who is the client here and what do they have to offer me? Or, anyone?This is the same old political diet of junk food that most are just sick and tired of except for the partisan diehearts or blowhearts.
Pretty sad. Not much truth and filled with negative and hateful ideas. If you think this is good then you need to re look in the mirror. What has happened to my party? The republican party. I don't want to be a democrat. But the republican party of today is filled with hate.
Hey, Bud, thanks for sparing us your usual "history" lesson.And the thing you need to remember is that political campaigns use negative ads because they work. No one knows this better than Democrats. Fortunately, Republicans are now figuring it out.Your assertion that people don't like negative ads is nothing more than a feel-good platitude.
I, too, am sick of the Republicans and the Democrats. I read just a few days back that the Libertarian Party there just regained ballot access. Kudos to the Libertarians of Nebraska! Now there's a slight ray of hope that you can still get worthy candidates to vote for in November...very slight, but potential nonetheless. Realize this: if only 5% of the vote for the state Auditor's race will vote for the Libertarian candidate in November, Nebraskans can then begin the new year with a real opportunity to field honest [Libertarian] candidates come 2012. Then, for once, y'all won't have to vote for the lesser of two evils. With ballot access in place, the Libertarians will have a real chance to get extablished up there, and timely for the next presidential election cycle.
Listen Trolls (gee, I wonder where you could be from???), at least TRY to disguise yourselves.An ad that is a list of poll numbers is "negative" and/or "hateful". That's rich.OK look, I understand that it contained scary music and sometimes the crescendo of the violins made you think that Newt Gingrich was after you. But when you turn the lights back on you can get yourself a warmish tofu smoothie, turn MSNBC back up, click on Kos, and it will all be better again.(Find that happy place! Find that happy place! Hope! Change!) :-)
The only thing "Extreme" in that add was the music. And stop calling it the "Ground Zero Mosque" - that's misleading.
Anon at 11:42, you are either a liar or an idiot. There is no other possibility than perhaps that you are both a liar AND an idiot. You cannot possibly be what you said and believe what you said about this spot unless you are a blithering idiot. There was nothing "hateful" about the spot. It just contrasted the claims by Obama and members of the media dismissing any opposition to Obama's agenda as "extreme" with polling data showing that those supposedly "extremist" views are actually held by a majority of people..If you can't figure that out, then, sorry, but you are just dumb. But I'll give you credit. I don't think you are dumb. I think you are a liar.
Sweet! I hope they buy up Nebraska in all 3 CD's.
Okay,how about, "the mosque at Ground Zero"?Oh, brother!
Mander, how about if we called it the "7-iron away from Ground Zero" Mosque? Would that be OK?
Hey 11:33AM: I'm not a "bud" though I bloom from time to time.If negative ads were the saving grace that effectively worked than voters would be streaming to the polls just like when Burger King tells us MacDonald's burgers are rotten....hey wait a minute...they don't do that. I wonder why? Must be those feel good platitudes again.
Nice namecalling 12:03. You left out moron and Nazi.
Just sayin . . . When I first heard that term, I thought someone was building a mosque on top of the rubble. As I researched the issue, I found that it was two blocks away, and therefore not as big of a deal.Regardless, this is 'Merica, as you necks like to say. Religious freedom applies to everyone.
Hey, Tex Ann is here. And since we were talking about the mosque near ground zero, it's an opportunity for an object lesson. TA, a buncha Muslim extremists "killed" nearly 3000 people on 9-11. While some BSDC residents died while in the care of the state, they weren't "killed." Ok, now that we have that all cleared up, we can move on to the next lesson, which is that an opinion held by more than half the people is, by definition, not extreme.
Oh Mander, You were wrong on both points."Cordoba House" isn't a mosque, it's a "cultural affairs center" with a prayer center -- which is WORSE than a mosque. If it was just a little mosque for a few faithful, ok (still terrible locale, but ok). Instead it is the potential mischief HQ. Oh, and funny how all you Libs, who bitch and moan about Nativity Scenes, Jews for Israel and Mormon candidates, are all now "Freedom of Religion!" on this issue.You're a joke.
Mander, religious freedom evidently applies to muslims building a mosque a bladed pitching wedge away from the rubble. But it evidently doesn't apply to the Christian church that was destroyed when Tower #2 fell on top of it on 9-11. Those folks for some reason have been refused permission to rebuild.
You need the object lesson Anonymous 12:25. What the Muslim extremists did on 9-11 is called "murder." The State of Nebraska did practice institutionall killing last year at Beatrice (by means of inadequate health care funding). And the truly sad point to be made about those tragedies is that no lesson was learned. Even your prisoners on death row get their health care; yet how easily you evade your responsibility to BSDC residents! Have you ever studied ethics? I mean, in the formal sense? And since you failed to comment about my comment above, here's another SHOUT OUT for the LIBERTARIANS of Nebraska! Once again, Nebraskans will have alternative choices to the usual system of "lesser evil" voting.
The fricking landing gear of the plane Atta highjacked landed on the building that currently stands on the site of the soon to be mosque. It's part of Ground Zero.
I thought it was an effective ad., by the way.
Oh mander wrote: "As I researched the issue, I found that it was two blocks away, and therefore not as big of a deal."Ground Zero isn't just the footprint of the former WTC Towers. I'm fairly certain the debris from the fallen buildings would have covered a radius of much more than just 2 blocks. But don't take my word for it...Post 9-11 Aerial Images***TexasAnnie...I say this with all the reverence I can, but the folks that died in the states care had 'lived' much of their lives at death's doorstep. I don't know if you could even say they were "living", so much as they were surviving. While their deaths were tragic, I wouldn't equate them to losses our country suffered on 9/11. They weren't murdered...they simply died.
Thankfully, it didn't take much to get Texas Annie to admit that Terri Schiavo was killed by her husband, a judge, and various other accomplices.
TA, murder is a form of killing, to be sure. But it is certainly accurate to say that the 9/11 hijackers killed thousands of innocents. It is not accurate to say that the state killed any of the residents in extremely fragile health at the BSDC. You sound like you're trying to exploit those tragic BSDC deaths for political purposes, especially when you start talking about Libertarian candidates in Nebraska. That's really kind of disgusting of you.
Ooooh, Grundle King, is that a link I see?So sad, because the rest of your post was pretty good, and it will all disappear into the ether when SS strikes.
Must have hit a nerve with the Libs/Progs on the board. If they are responding with such passion, then it is on the mark.This will go viral and it is VERY effective. November has the potential to be a very, very, good month.I heard mention of there being Chairman Terry, Fortenberry, Smith, and Johanns come January!It's frustrating, we know because we had the McCain debacle to endure. Now the Libs/Progs can sit back and watch the train wreck that Obama go over the cliff.
I am fairly new to this blog, so if links are strictly verboten, then I'll understand if Sweeper whacks my post and won't complain. I only included it because I need an illustration to show the size of the debris field.
Grundle King: I, too, don't equate the Beatrice deaths with 9-11. That was Anonymous 12:25 who did that. Also, I have never referred to the Beatrice killings as "murder."Thank you for your reverence. Your description of those who died at Beatrice is on the mark. Wouldn't it have been humane to permit those who were merely "surviving" at Beatrice a peacefully planned exit? The reports of those who died due to inappropriate health professional staffing (a result of that vetoed funding I mentioned before), indicate their ample suffering. But the reports of those who died subsequent to an abrupt removal from their "homes," is the worse realization for me. They had no understanding of what was happening and likely died of fear and despair...
Anonymous 1:59 --- You're welcome.
Texas Annie is right and it isn't just happening in Beatrice, it is happening every day in nursing homes across this state. Corporate greed believes in bottomline trumping human life and therefore these hell holes are inadequately staffed to pad it. Those that work in these places are often underpaid and grossly negligent of training for our seniors. AND--they are sucking up your tax dollars with Medicaid and Medicare funding to make it all happen. Imagine that....it ain't all the immigrants. It's our red, white and blue corporations warehousing seniors at taxpaid expense. Maybe that explains what came down the pike yesterday that angered our dear vigilant watchdog governor who turns a blind eye while fussing and fuming for the media. Oh well, they're old, helpless and "lived most of their lives" already. Why not just take them behind the barn and shoot them to put them all out of our lazy ass misery. She didn't exploit anything politically. That would be the ones making a mountain out of a molehill with one building rather than checking out the carnage beneath their nose.
Anonymous at 2:03 ---When the state takes persons into custody, particularly persons unable to walk around and talk, and then the state withholds appropriate and adequate health care and those persons die, it is correct to say that the state "KILLED" those persons.And your idea that I am exploiting the BSDC deaths is ludicrous. In the first place, I speak from experience when I opine about the needs and appropriate care of persons such as those who were alive but are now dead, at Beatrice. I haven't killed my adult developmentally disabled daughter who lives with me; conversely, I have saved her life on many occasions... In the second place, as far as I know, the Libertarians of Nebraska don't have any candidates announced other than for Auditor. And at this late stage, I expect that they won't. However, even if they did field a full slate of candidates, I DO NOT recommend that you turn to the Libertarians for adequate health care at public expense, -for anyone! That's not their thing. The beauty of the Libertarian philosophy lies in an expectation that none of us should be taxed in support of our neighbor. That's fair! Here's a good example: I should not have been taxed in support of postsecondary educational institutions while I live in Nebraska. Get it?Now if we're talking about Democrats, yeah, they will exploit folks such as those who died at Beatrice when electioneering and ignore their needs once elected. And if we're talking about Republicans, they will exploit also, but in a different manner. Nebraska is a prime example of massive Republican lip service about the sanctity of life...which is why y'all don't like me to bring up Beatrice. But when the notion of funding to sustain life comes up, it's "family values" and "personal responsibility" time. This is a far graver exploitation. For it soothes the conscience without committing to the belief. Have you ever studied ethics, formally? I've got some big words to throw around to better explain my ideas...
Thank-you very much for your comments Anonymous 5:49. I apologize for previously believing that NO ONE in Nebraska cared about the Beatrice deaths. You have shown me to be wrong, by one!
TA- you and your position on Beatrice are so out of touch. It has been the focus of so much attention, not to mention dollars, that have gone into the issue. Bottom line is if the family has the choice to either take care of the individual or surrender them to the state. Eventually you need to find another drum to beat. As it is you are wearing thin. In other news........ and yes there is other news. The new Obamacare will cause people to lose their State Benefits, but you must be happy because you have the illusion of feeling better.Go figure, a Liberal feeling better because more tax dollars are being spent on a few at the expense of the rest. Guilt ridden are you.
Anonymous at 10:18 ---I won't let you have the last word! All those dollars you CLAIM have been thrown around regarding Beatrice...are you subtracting the $10 million TAKEN last November (2009) from the developmental disability "fix" appropriated by the Unicameral in May (2009)? You don't get to include that $10 million, y'know! It is you, not I, who is out of touch with what has been going on in Nebraska regarding the developmentally disabled. And I like the drum I beat very much, thank-you. But then, I know something about ethics. Do you? Does anyone, reading these words? I want to debate the ethical issues surrounding the Beatrice killings...P.S. your assumption that I am a "liberal" betrays your inability to read well enough!
Great ad, and are the first few posts the best Dick Holland can get for his money?
You bunch of whiners. Don't you know this is the summer of recovery? Bunch of Rethuglican haters.Does anybody have an address for Dick Holland so I can bill him for my post?
Oh look, another thread hijacked by Texas Aggravator and turned into a thread about the state killing invalids at BSDC. What was this thread originally about? Oh yeah, the extremist Obama going around calling the majority of Americans "extremists." Props to Tex A for figuring out how to work BSDC in there.
Anonymous at 11:45 ---Thank-you for your ungracious complements.
And speaking of extremist liberal points of view, I'm drawing a contrast in my mind between two recent items in the news. First, you have the "Ground Zero" Mosque, as to which liberals simply cannot fathom that the people (muslims) backing it have anything but the purest of intentions. Nevermind that it's planned to open on the 10th anniversary of 9/11; nevermind that those behind it are seeking questionable foreign financing. Goshdarnit, there were only 19 hijackers on 9/11 and liberals are quite sure that all the rest of them are pretty cool and non-violent and peaceful victims of Republican racism and islamo--hatred. They simply cannot imagine the builders of the "Ground Zero" mosque are thumbing their noses at America and wouldn't be able to see any illicit motives even if they named it the "9/11 Victory Over the Infidels Mosque at Ground Zero."And then there's the anniversary this week (was it today?) of the release of the Libyan terrorist (oh, wait, maybe there were 20 muslim bad guys) who blew up a passenger jet over Lockerbie Scotland killing scores of innocents. The country of Libya CELEBRATED his release a year ago. And the British came out this week and said to the Libyan gummint, hey, bubs, you better not throw some celebration for the anniversary of this murderer's release from jail.Now, is it an irrational fear on the part of the British to think that the Libyans might throw a celebration for the 1st anniversary of the release of the Lockerbie Murderer?If not, then why would it be irrational for Americans to think that the people behind the "Ground Zero" mosque might not be "moderate" muslims and might not have the best of intentions and might just be trying to do a victory dance at the scene of their greatest victory?Answer me that, libs.
Thomas Robb, how utterly typical of you liberal whackos. You can't argue the point and so you just play the "you're a bigot" card. Sadly, you haven't figured out yet -- and probably never will -- that the "you're a bigot" card is not a substitute for reason and argument. Sigh.I'm willing to acknowledge -- and in fact I firmly believe -- that there are plenty of muslims of good will who were horrified by the events of 9/11.But I'm also willing to consider the notion that the muslims behind the mosque near ground zero might not be among those muslims of good will.You whacko extremist leftists cannot, even for a moment, fathom that the muslims building the "ground zero" mosque are anything but honorable folks with intentions as pure as the wind-driven snow.I, myself, am not willing to go by blind faith alone in assuming the builders of the mosque near ground zero have purely noble intentions. So I look to available information.And I guess it's not hard for me to imagine -- considering the nation of Libya threw a hero's welcome for the guy who murdered scores of innocent people in blowing up an airplane over Lockerbie, Scotland -- that there might be muslims not of good will who would be inclined to build what they might view as a "9/11 Victory over the Infidels at Ground Zero" mosque.First thing that makes me suspicious, I guess, is the very fact they plan to build it ... there. Second thing is that it's my understanding they plan on opening the place on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Now what would that be all about?If you can't acknowledge the possibility that the folks building and backing this mosque near ground zero have other than honorable intentions, then, I'm sorry, but you're just plain stupid.
Anonymous 11:04,You are a bigot. So which card would you like to have me play? I know, Mom told me not to pick on idiots, but you make it so damned easy! Your "available information" doesn't happen to be your 24/7 Fox News addiction is it?By the way, I don't watch MSNBC, CNN or any of that. I gave up television years ago, and, unlike you, I didn't leave my brain on idle.
Anon at 11:34, oh, what rapier wit. You wound me! By the way, was there an argument in there somewhere? Truly, I missed it.
Umm yeah "StreetSweeper", I guess you dont work for the NE media afterall that you think an "Ad" runs for a minute twenty whatever. This is an internet video produced to get you and other repubs feeling warm and fuzzy.Whys it hard to call a spade a spade? Whys it necessary to constantly slant things beyond on the norm on your partisan website?
To 8-20-10 6:33AM: Ad professionals don't need to have Dick Holland or anyone else to buy them when they know their expertise enough to comment objectively on content and technique. Your sarcasm was cute, kind of, though inaccurate.
Of course the Cordoba Center protests have nothing to do with bigotry. It's purely a coincidence that proposed mosques and Muslim centers are also being protested in other NY borroughs, California, Illinois, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Kentucky, and Florida. Would any of you annonymae care to offer up any evidence at all to support the claim that the Cordoba Center is supposed to open on September 11th? One more thing. When the invading Muslim hordes built mosques upon their conquered lands, were they in the habit of asking permission first?
There's no way that the Ground Zero mosque can be built by 9/11/11. The fundraising has only just begun. Supposedly. That aside, this mosque was proposed to commemorate 9/11. Nobody wants that type of commemoration and have made that clear. Despite that, the organizers are pushing ahead even though they know it is only creating ill will and even against the objections of many Muslims that have spoken out against this mosque. Heck, they wouldn't even meet with the governor of New York to simply talk about it.As for the bigot charge. Big deal. We've been called worse and with great regularity by you Leftists.
MacDaddy, what you wrote is false. Obviously, somebody doesn't mind or the Cordoba Initiative wouldn't have received the go-ahead from the community. Although they didn't need to, they asked for and received approval from the local community board. Of course that was before the rabid anti-Muslim lunatic Pam Gellar, who makes Glenn Beck look both sane and intelligent, decided to stir up hatred against Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. The smearing of this man, who is undoubtedly one Islam's "good guys", is the sickest part of this episode.What does it say to the world when a man who has worked to promote western democratic ideals throughout the worldwide Muslim community, who condemns terrorism, who has cooperated with U.S. law enforcement to ensure that an attack like 9/11 never happens again, is subjected to this kind of bigoted hatred and fear-mongering? It says that the terrorists who claim to be Muslims are correct, that the U.S. is at war with all Muslims. It says that freedom of religion only applies to some in our country. It says that we are full of crap, basically.BTW, one little known fact is that there was already a mosque in the coat factory building even before 9/11, so by the definition of some opponents a mosque was already a part of ground zero. I would provide a link to the NYC news report that says so, but our freedom-loving moderator might censor my post.
The mosque was approved by the various city zoning commissions despite heavy opposition at the hearings. The people who approved it were all New York City bureaucrats, probably every last one of them a Democrat. In every poll anyone has conducted about it, the overwhelming majority of people don't want it there.The Ground Zero Mosque is designed to be a 15 story monument to Islam. Imam Rauf, who wants to have a place for moderate Muslims to worship thinks that sharia should come to America. I guess that's his definition of a moderate Muslim. BTW, Islam is an ideology masquerading as a religion. It's ideas are antithetical to America and her freedoms. I, for the life of me, cannot see how Leftists are so hostile to Christianity but mew like kittens when it comes to Islam.
Macdaddy, please stop lying. The Manhattan Community Board #1, which approved the Cordoba House 29-to-1 after public debate, is not made up of NYC bureaucrats. These are citizens who live nearest to Ground Zero. The man behind it, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, has stated repeatedly that does not want sharia law to be instituted in America. He believes in religious pluralism.Your bigotry is obvious when you claim that Islam is not a real religion. You only see the "facts" that support your bigoted notions. You are attacking the people that we need most as allies in the fight against terrorism. I cannot speak for all "leftists", but I am only hostile to having Christianity shoved down my throat in the form of state-sponsored indoctrination and attempts by religious moralists to usurp my inalienable rights. If any Muslim tried to do the same, I would be just as hostile.
I see a Rassmussen survey recently released shows that something in the neighborhood of 85% of the American public are now following news stories related to the Mosque near ground zero. Sixty-two percent of Americans, according to the survey, oppose the Mosque being built compared to 54% opposing it back in June, IIRC.This illustrates that a majority of Americans share a view that people like Obama would dismiss as "extremist." Which begs the question about who really are the extremists?
don kuhns, what the hell are you talking about that they didn't need approval to build this mosque? That's laughably false. You practically can't scratch your butt in NYC without getting 5 permits and zoning clearance first. And your claim that supposed protests about building mosques in other places proves that opposition to the ground zero mosque is a not only a non sequitur but also pathetically stupid and contradicts all the lefty whacko arguments that you can't judge the intentions of the ground zero mosque people by what other muslims have said and done. I agree you can't but here you are trying to claim that bigotry of some people somewhere is attributable to those who oppose the ground zero mosque.Actually, that makes you the bigot.
Trying to type this on my phone makes proofreading a bit tough. That last post, second paragraph, should have read something more like "And your claim that supposed protests about building mosques in other places proves that opposition to the ground zero mosque is motivated by bigotry is not only a non sequitur but also pathetically stupid ..."
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non Muslims."Imam Rauf in lecture in Australia, July, 2005"Dropping the plan is definitely not an option at all."Daisy Khan, wife of Imam Rauf, NY Post, August 21st, 2010From 60 Minutes just after 9/11:ED BRADLEY, CBS: (Voiceover) And throughout the Muslim world, there is also strong opposition to America's foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East because of its support of Israel and economic sanctions against Iraq.Imam ABDUL RAUF: It is a reaction against the policies of the US government, politically, where we espouse principles of democracy and human rights and where we ally ourselves with oppressive regimes in many of these countries.BRADLEY: Are--are--are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?Imam ABDUL RAUF: I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.BRADLEY: OK. You say that we're an accessory?Imam ABDUL RAUF: Yes.BRADLEY: How?Imam ABDUL RAUF: Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA. So who's lying, Don? Imam Rauf when he didn't think anyone was paying attention or Imam Rauf today? He doesn't sound all that moderate to me.
One other point: Islam sets out a system of governance that includes a judiciary and a financial system. It seeks to regulate every last area of human behavior and replace every other form of government in the world. That's an ideology.
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