tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post7630530766821250027..comments2008-04-09T13:34:50.849-05:00Street Sweeperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04829434036913451764noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-47664749208248272412008-04-09T13:34:00.000-05:002008-04-09T13:34:00.000-05:00

NUFL didn't endorse Mike Johanns. That just shows how irrelevant their organization is. I am sure the NRTL will support Johanns and many other pro-life candidates.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-21130658736068935832008-04-09T00:21:00.000-05:002008-04-09T00:21:00.000-05:00

Anon,Let's make this a little simpler. Perhaps Professor Kleeb is pro-life and pro-choice. If so, what limits would he be willing to put on abortion? To get Emily's List money, I bet he had to agree to none. No matter what his personal feelings are. No limits on abortion makes you pro-abortion, not pro-life. As for a world without abortion, what would you be worried about? That'd be 33

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-34160908593226136982008-04-08T23:32:00.000-05:002008-04-08T23:32:00.000-05:00

As if there are not enough bottom feeders in this world, can you imagine what it would be like without abortion? Have you seen that commercial that says there would be 33 million more people in America if abortion were illegal? Can you imagine the increase in financial and social ills this country would face if abortion were illegal, and pregnant women who couldn't end their pregnancy were

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-59410975620411755382008-04-08T15:33:00.000-05:002008-04-08T15:33:00.000-05:00

Eric...I stand corrected...I knew that the questionaire in '06 came from the NCC. I sidetracked because the Third District is primarily the GI Diocese. You would think any young hard charger wanting to be elected and knowingly understands that his election chances are a long shot would be more than happy to respond to such a significant questionaire. Especially one that would reach such a

One Out In The Thirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-89839471575143792952008-04-08T13:31:00.000-05:002008-04-08T13:31:00.000-05:00

Eric,Thanks for pulling this back to the Kleeb issue.And again, note that Kleeb refuses to admit that he is "Pro-Choice" (which he is).

Street Sweeperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04829434036913451764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-77615422950371711322008-04-08T13:30:00.000-05:002008-04-08T13:30:00.000-05:00

By the way, NUFL put up their "first draft" of endorsements for 2008. I know SS doesn't like people putting links in the comments, but I think this helps provide some context:Nebraskans United For LifeYou'll notice that Jim Esch's name isn't the only notable omission. NUFL has a much higher standard than NRTL. Contrary to what Joe Jordan thinks, there are apparently many shades of gray in the

Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05841528506905088343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-78560440724695120822008-04-08T13:18:00.000-05:002008-04-08T13:18:00.000-05:00

Esch never lost the NRTL's endorsement. He was endorsed in the primary but not in the general election (because of the incumbency issue). You're probably referring to the endorsement of Nebraskans United for Life - another group whose endorsement Esch also sought. NUFL didn't endorse Esch because of where they draw the line on which embryonic stem cells are ok to use for research. Esch says that

Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05841528506905088343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-3815968425580065382008-04-08T12:59:00.000-05:002008-04-08T12:59:00.000-05:00

I don't have the time to get into Esch's loss of NRTL's endorsement, but there were other issues.Look at back posts of L St.

Street Sweeperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04829434036913451764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-5361797745698999632008-04-08T12:12:00.000-05:002008-04-08T12:12:00.000-05:00

I'm not sure how Jim Esch got brought into this, but he was endorsed by Nebraska Right to Life in the 2006 primary. NRTL almost always goes for pro-life incumbents only in the general, so he didn't get the general election endorsement (just like Pete Ricketts didn't against Ben Nelson), but he still met their other critera for an endorsement. I don't see Esch saying that those positions which got

Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05841528506905088343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-44331233181101161062008-04-08T11:35:00.000-05:002008-04-08T11:35:00.000-05:00

Playing it both ways is not limited to Kleeb. This is now part of the Nebraska Democrat Party playbook. Tell 'em what they want to hear. All of them what THEY want to hear.Steve Lathrop did it with illegal immigration to win election in 2006 (by 14 votes...think he'd have won if he were honest?), now look what we have in him. Before his appointment,Synoweicki sold Johanns that he was strong on

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-33890276568902368482008-04-08T11:24:00.000-05:002008-04-08T11:24:00.000-05:00

anony,We don't disagree as much as you might think. Making it easier to adopt would be a HUGE step in the right direction. The case you presented of someone having 12 kids in 17 years is hardly the norm and, no doubt, happens to some people who are just too stupid to learn.Not much you can do about that. For ignorance, the cure is education. For stupidity, what can you do?I'm against sexually

BTOsbornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-31717954216730451412008-04-08T10:34:00.000-05:002008-04-08T10:34:00.000-05:00

You cannot be both pro-choice and pro-life. That is a ridiculous thing to try to tell someone. That is like saying I am against sexually transmitted disease, but what someone else does with their body is none of my business?! I agree that it would be amazing if we could teach people how not to get pregnant. However, that has been the job of the pro-choice Planned Parenthood and it appears that

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-42916946287645909702008-04-08T08:33:00.000-05:002008-04-08T08:33:00.000-05:00

This is all an interesting intellectual discussion. But it doesn't change the fact that Kleeb is refusing to vocalize his "Pro-Choice" position so as not to lose the "Pro-life" vote. Kleeb's ain't a "moral" decision. It's a political one.

Street Sweeperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04829434036913451764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-64687247176653062112008-04-08T01:04:00.000-05:002008-04-08T01:04:00.000-05:00

anony,If people were truly Pro-Life they'd be working as hard as they possibly could to ensure that kids received adequate sex education rather than just telling them, "Don't ****." That method hasn't worked since Eden. God gave us a desire for sex nearly as powerful as hunger. Our sex drive makes us want to "procreate" just as hunger makes us want to eat. Some folks overeat, some folks . . . The

BTOsbornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-3654257282647107062008-04-07T23:51:00.000-05:002008-04-07T23:51:00.000-05:00

It's not partial birth, it's called intact dilation and extraction. And there's no such thing as the death tax either. It's called the estate tax. And guess what? There are lots of us who are both pro choice and pro life; they are, believe it or not, not mutually exclusive. And you hypocritical right wingers can go ahead and jump off your moral high horse. Do you know how many completely

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-57422844835103709882008-04-07T23:01:00.000-05:002008-04-07T23:01:00.000-05:00

ooitt:That questionnaire actually was the work of all three diocese. They team up for those kinds of things (it is called the Nebraska Catholic Conference). I know it is hard to believe, but they don't actually create episcopal sees based on congressional district lines.I don't know why candidates don't answer those things. They give you the space to explain nuances, and it isn't like Catholics

Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05841528506905088343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-20939404564601377622008-04-07T22:56:00.000-05:002008-04-07T22:56:00.000-05:00

When I am asked whether I am "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choice" my answer is always the same. I am a man, it is none of my business what a woman chooses to do with her body.

BTOsbornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-43893776003507153622008-04-07T22:46:00.000-05:002008-04-07T22:46:00.000-05:00

Sounds like Kleeb is giving the Uncle Wiggly explanation: "The answer simply cannot be discerned as long as the discussion is framed within a "pro-life/pro-choice" construct. Each of the two perspectives reside in profoundly different areas of the human value system - they simply have no moral equivalence, and so a mutually resonant position involving the two of them is not possible."If Joe

Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05841528506905088343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-12478283056306930202008-04-07T18:48:00.000-05:002008-04-07T18:48:00.000-05:00

1. imo, when framed using pro-life and pro-choice as descriptors, abortion is a moral issue. if we're going to make it a policy issue, we need to discuss it from a policy perspective as lisa has scratched. however, there is a distinction between why i say this and why kleeb bounced the question; it's clear that he's playing politics. if kleeb really is for a "new brand of politics" he would

charlie danielsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-53541364637622544752008-04-07T18:23:00.000-05:002008-04-07T18:23:00.000-05:00

I wonder if Kleeb will ignore all 3 of the Catholic Dioceses in Nebraska now that he is running statewide? He chose to ignore the political questionaire presented to him by the GI Diocese in his bid against Smith and it looks like he is ducking and bobbing again. He want's change but he won't commit. You gotta have a program to identify the players. Change is good and necessary but you

One Out In The Thirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-3737976920282522362008-04-07T17:36:00.000-05:002008-04-07T17:36:00.000-05:00

BTO --- I think you are on to something. Anyone from YALE should not be allowed to become the President or member of Congress. The last two presidents validate the theory.

Camnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-80851566202436403682008-04-07T16:53:00.000-05:002008-04-07T16:53:00.000-05:00

Charlie D got it right. As a woman, I'm sick and tired of the extremes on both sides of the issue that make it into an either/or discussion. It's a disservice to the majority of people out there. For example, I am also personally against abortion. However, outlawing does nothing to solve the problem. Abortion is only a symptom of a much greater issue. I'd like to see people on all sides of the

Lisa Hannahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05540635853601781108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-45915196982713954292008-04-07T16:23:00.000-05:002008-04-07T16:23:00.000-05:00

What!!?? The Counterfeit Cowboy waffling?? Bobbing and weaving?? I'm shocked ... shocked and appalled.Ferchrissake, he can't get dressed in the morning without polling people to see what color of Italian loafers to wear. Note to all you gushing girlie-types who think he is waving to you - he's not ... he's just holding up a finger to see which way the wind is blowing.I cannot WAIT for this guy

Uncle Wiggilywww.wiggilynotebook.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-26498947501889708682008-04-07T14:22:00.000-05:002008-04-07T14:22:00.000-05:00

CD:It's the fence-sitting. I would agree that you can have nuanced positions, or would LIKE the debate to be framed differently.HOWEVER, the question of, "Should a woman have the right to choose to have an abortion?" is a pretty simple yes or no (and you can always add your caveats, like "life of the mother"). Kleeb wouldn't even answer that for Jordan.(And Kleeb figures his ActBlue supporters

Street Sweeperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04829434036913451764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21100730.post-2918011498332076012008-04-07T14:16:00.000-05:002008-04-07T14:16:00.000-05:00

clarification: are you saying that a person cannot have a view that is neither FOR or AGAINST a specific policy? or, are you saying he should quit fence-sitting? yes, he should be more forthcoming with his views. yes, he should be called out (and pummeled) if he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. however, there might be some very legitimate policy ideas out there that lie somewhere in

charlie danielsnoreply@blogger.com